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Message: [QUOTE="wsorbust, post: 430039, member: 10717"] Moneymaker, Raymor, Hachem and especially Varkony, are in themselves the definition of fluke. This is true IMO because: 1. They are/were/maybe always will be amateurs. 2. Anyone can play tight and aggressive and play "good cards." These four players don't combine to even come close to the amount of true skill needed to read a player which a Negreanu or Ivey possesses. 3. With the exception of Varkony and maybe Moneymaker, due to the time of the boom, people hang on just to make the final table, which allows for huge cheap leads whether it be by good play or catching cards. Taking of a huge chip lead favors the amateurs due to the vast more amount of amateurs entering the tournament and final table compared to pros. 4. It's NLH'em Poker. [/QUOTE]