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Message: [QUOTE="pokervike, post: 2632665, member: 133131"] Are you also including opening and or calling hands pre-flop? Or is this a post flop type of question? Too be completely honest, I feel most people are in way too many hands pre-flop and then stuck with either getting shoved on too often or getting called incorrectly when somebody may have thought you were drawing and not defending. So I guess that means I don't represent math or heart separately Personally, I'm in a hand for 3 reasons only pre-flop. 1) Hand strength, 2) Implied odds with good EV or I've decided that another player who I think is going to stay in a hand that I feel confident I can range them and I can beat them either IP or OP. Post flop opens up a brand new pair of shoes for me to put on. 1) more than 2 in the hand I've got a few mores but unless I hammer the flop I'm not looking to give more than one opponent a free ride to the rivers edge. 2) The time has come, make a play! Not always on the flop either. I like to shuffle C-betting bluffs and strong hands on either the flop or turn just to keep action when I want it and dump it or scare it away by MY action not the opponents. 3) I have a hand. If the village idiot shows up the price of admission just went up. If I feel somebody might get scared away I take a timid approach. If the board is wet I try to keep it cheap then fill the bill with hidden charges! SO i guess my heart dictates my math but my value is based on how much I'm worth in my heart! I would find it very hard to believe that a successful player uses only one. Pot Odds, EV and ICM (for tourneys) are great tools to reach for but in the end [I][B]fold losers, bet winners[/B]. That, is where the money is at![/I] [/QUOTE]

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