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Message: [QUOTE="Gary_Heart, post: 2658382, member: 106922"] I'm not sure who A2345Razz refers as "we've" when stating "we've collectively sold the dream" of becoming a profitable poker player "to the public". Perhaps the poker rooms and/or the poker culture collectively as a whole? Thing is, I must have missed those salespeople or maybe I was just as interested in what they had to say as when people try to sell me a bridge. I play Poker for its entertainment value. I'm not sure who A2345Razz refers as "us" when stating “generally for us to maintain this game” the poker world “needs net depositors period to survive.” AND really? You think "Freeroll culture has hurt poker...." If the net profit/loss is a LOSS for all players based on rake” then the rake is too high and as with taxes being too high people will revolt. Like LD1977 said: “reduce rake and stimulate economy”. Squeezing beginners, freerollers; hobbyists; armatures to deposit 200-500 dollars to plug the holes in the boat won’t work – the boat will still sink. Don’t expect us - who play for fun – to float the boat. We, after all, are referred to as fish aren’t we? We play freerolls - you can too – so where’s the beef? I'm reminded of going to the park to see the fireworks for free. When there, I see the show and have fun visiting with others who enjoy the show. Some people at the show buy things from the various venders they would not have bought otherwise. This, so to speak, deposit of money with the venders is not mandatory nor is it "important for beginners to actually DEPOSIT A DECENT amount of money" to maintain the show. Basically if the vendor at the show offers an honest value - people will come - and spend enough to maintain it. If not, that vendor will fail as people will go elsewhere. Let the sparks fly :deal: [/QUOTE]

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