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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 994294, member: 26306"] Agreed. I guess it's more that I brought up the second question as well, say it's a $5 mtt with 6k people (I'm assuming no one here would go crazy over losing $5 and is plenty rolled for it, and if not make it a $1 mtt, basically withing BRM). So I've asked two questions here, the first one in the OP and this second one. I included "tourneys we're rolled for" in the part you quoted, so I was addressing the 2nd question. Here's the thing though, I have still yet to see a logical argument why whether another tourney starting in 20 minutes matters in the slightest. Your first point is good, but I think you have general tournament strategy backwards. Early on it's all about chip accumulation while later on it's all about survival, picking good spots against the right stacks (to either try to induce a shove when you have a monster or leverage a fold putting as few chips in the middle as you can with a bad hand), and keeping the chip stack healthy. I just don't buy that the difference in tourneys and cash is that you can rebuy in cash. Whether it's the only tournament in the world you'll ever play or whether there are an infinite amount does not change the best strategy to maximize ev. Obviously in such a big tourney I agree maximizing ev may not be everything, but hopefully you see the point. This is where I flat out disagree. Actually I think one of the big differences in tourneys is that so many people think like you are here. You have much more fold equity because people are scared, don't make the +ev call because they don't want to risk their tournament life, so it's easier to bluff at the later stages. The difference between a tourney and ring game has nothing to do with whether you can rebuy or not, it has to do with not all your chips being worth the same. If you're on the bubble with a shortstack sometimes it's good to just fold to the money even if given a 60/40. On the other hand right after the bubble with a shortstack you'd probably be happy to get your money in a 60/40 dog just because doubling your chip stack will more than double your expectation in a tournament. I guess the biggest reasons I started this thread was because it addresses the issues of what really is different about a tournament and ring. I think people who talk about survival or about how you can just rebuy in ring and can't in a tourney are wrong. This is just my opinion though, so if you disagree please use logic to convince me. I don't play many tournaments, and frankly pretty much hate them (that'll change when I win one though :p), so I'm not claiming to be a tournament expert. I just think people take survival/not being able to rebuy as too much of a factor and assume without using any logic that survival is an inherent trait in tournaments that you must value. [/QUOTE]

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