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Message: [QUOTE="detroitjunkie, post: 2982229, member: 61462"] the only two you listed that would be considered the best in the world are Daniel and Phil H...Doyle too old to hang, Dwan sux at tourneys, and Ivey just doesn't care BUT, there has not been a true amateur at the FT in many years, in fact its been mostly pros in the final 50 as of late- if luck was more a factor then a true amateur like Moneymaker or Raymer would have come close again - and they haven't. The reason they did in the first place was because the boom was so new that there were not that many pros out there, now there are thousands that make a living at the game, so the field is so much harder to navigate. Even though MM did get a little lucky, he still played solid most of the way, if he was a complete donk he would have never won [/QUOTE]