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Message: [QUOTE="detroitjunkie, post: 2982801, member: 61462"] Knowing when to fold and when not too has nothing to do with luck. My point is that in limit and PLO games more often than in NLH games the winning hand preflop will lose in the end....this is undoubtedly true based on numbers of opponents seeing future streets, mathematically it has to be true. Therefore luck is more of a factor in those games than in NLH, but again I say you cant compare them anyways because they are different games (as different as chess and checkers) and it should not have any effect on how or what you play. Your skill - knowing when to fold, when to raise, how to control pot sizes and variance - should and will always dictate which games you play, if you cant fathom controlling variance, or having big swings in your roll, then stay away from NLH...should have nothing to do with luck. Having 'some' coinflips preflop; in cash games this should not be an issue if you do not want it to be - there is no real reason to EVER call an AI preflop if you do not want too in cash - even with AA, it does not NEED to happen for you to profit in the session. In tournaments however this is a different story. Yes there is more luck in tournaments (but I also say more skill too), but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is NLH, it has to do with raising blinds, number of opponents, pay structure, etc... that forces you to need to get a little lucky to win. EVERY PLAYER, and I mean EVERY PLAYER that has ever won a tournament in the history of poker tournaments (of any significance - not a heads up sng or something stupid) has gotten lucky at least once during the game - all formats of tournaments, all games. Luck is an issue, I agree due to our finate nature of being humans that not everyone will share the same amount of luck in either direction. The base swing is around 10% either way (I believe) so its more like 60-40 (I consider to outter ring to be 65-35 and very rare cases beyond that). But this is not abnormal, and may not be equal - but its fair because its what the math says there should be. But this effect is everywhere, not just NLH, not just for bad players, for all people in all things. Luck can make NLH sure look dangerous sometimes, but that is because the variance is so high that when an outdraw occurs it can be devastating, which is then why you need more skill to rebound from that and make a comeback...or to know how to use your recent big win and get to the next level, maybe by bluffing someone heads up at the final table or something and changing poker forever Oh and on the hand you bring up, why could he not be bluffing here? Seems like a valid move at that point. [/QUOTE]

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