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Message: [QUOTE="Jack Daniels, post: 1365479, member: 1954"] Yep, I thought about that as well, but my guess is that FTP simply doesn't dedicate the resources to it on large scale because they feel their results would be proportional to what the polices' results are. They do go after drug and arms dealers and do catch some here and there, but by and large they are no where near doing away with the problem and never will be imo. I'm sure proactive enforcement against HH sales would ultimately be useless due to the nature of the internet. Like drugs and guns, HH will always be available to those determined to get them. I think they've taken large steps in combating this as much as they could while still trying to balance the needs of the individual player. They've closed the loop on simple datamining by only allowing saved HH for those sitting at the table. But I'm not sure where the real balancing point is either. They have to still deal the cards to the table for the players to see. There will always be a way for violators to mass datamine (be it by screen scrape, code, whatever) They would have to make every table of every game 100% limited to just those actually sitting at the table and then only allowed those actually sitting in at the table to be able to save HH. But even with that in place it isn't possible to stop sharing of personal HH. There are just too many technology issues that can't be resolved or made unbeatable. Make a better mousetrap... My personal opinion is that no mass datamining should be allowed by external sites/groups for any reason. I also don't think individuals should be allowed to mass datamine on tables they aren't sitting at (though I could see more discussion on this possibly swaying me...idk). I have no issues at all with collecting HH on tables someone plays at. So I guess my personal opinion falls pretty much in line with the poker sites. In my mind it's about fairness of the game. Sindri mentioned earlier that sharing DBs was a kin to discussing a casino player live with a friend. But I don't think that's a fair corallary. Discussing a person live is the same as discussing a person online. So if marginal and I talk on MSN and he tells me about Sindri and his general playing style so I have an idea how to approach playing him, then that's okay in my book because these are your personal thoughts and observations as you preceive them. However, if you turn around and hand me 30k HEM hands on Sindri, this is no longer simple discussion of opinion and observation but instead is cold hard fact and data on his detailed play. It's no longer about him liking to raise first in a lot in late position and that he likes to steal blinds. Instead I can see that (hypothetically) that he raises first in from the CO 80% and Btn 85% and steals 62% from the button and 3-bets UTG 21% in an open limped pot and 93% of the time likes long walks on the beach but only on the weekend with nice weather...ok, that last one probably isn't in HEM. :) But those kinds of statistics that are in HEM or PT3 go way beyond simple discussion of a playing. Sorry for the waffling; just trying to explain a bit why I feel the way I do about this. Plus, you asked. ;) :p [/QUOTE]

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