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Message: [QUOTE="Jagsti, post: 785051, member: 16769"] OK then here's what I think. If your playing 6 max then playing with a vpip of 20 is fine. Playing with a PFR of 9 is not good. It means you are limping/calling 50% of the time you enter a pot. You need to get your PFR upto around 15-17. At first this will seem extremely hard to do, but with practice you should be able to adapt. So if you have stats of 20/17, it means that you put money into the pot 20% of the time. with a pfr of 17 it means you are raising 17% of the time you enter a pot. Therefore you are more aggresive PF. If your playing FR, then I personally think a vpip of 20 is too loose. There are more experienced FR players here who can advise on optimum stats for uNL FR. Probably 12/8/3 would be good. It seems more of an accepted practice to limp from EP when playing FR so your PFR could be a little lower. [/QUOTE]