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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 1132095, member: 26306"] Alright first off I'm going to comment on my opinion. It's not meant to be a rebuttal and I think you make some good points, however I'm going to state my opinion on why I personally enjoy online more: Maybe it's just me and the fact that I've grown up where money is mostly electronic. I haven't paid cash in quite a while. I go pay with a credit card, the end of the month the CC company bills me and I send them a bill payment on the internet. I never touch cash yet I've touched the results of the cash many times. I request a payout from the online poker site, they send me a check, I deposit in bank, I buy something online, it's sent directly to my house, I now have said good. When I hear my CC has been stolen or has a fraudulent charge, I connect that with my real money has been stolen or attempted to be stolen right away. So to me money is online, it's not about the paper, the chips, or anything, it's about the value. As long as there is a direct process for me to get something I want with the money I think of it as real money, thus personally I feel there is as much on the line online. The shuffling of the chips live only can go so far when I get bored from only 1-tabling and playing 30 hands/hour. Sort of alluded to this in part 1, but personally I find live poker infinitely more boring. Online I can be playing 24 tables at once. I can play for only half hour at a time if I get a window. If I want to think about a poker concept I can just bring up the hand in HEM and use a countless amount of tools to analyze it. And if that isn't satisfactory, I can post it here and get other opinions on the hand. And then there's the fact that I've made a ton of people I would call friends from playing online poker. I haven't played a ton of live poker but I have yet to talk to anyone I've ever met playing live poker after I left the casino. I talk to some people I've met playing online poker several times a week. Yep, but I am currently making very decent money playing online poker. I can play a ton of tables at 1/2 or 2/4 and actually make a decent return while if I played even 5/10 full time live I'd have a hard time making a decent living, plus the swings would be much much worse. And it's worse for me being under 21, so my options are limited. The one casino I went to most recently, Turning Stone, doesn't even typically run a game as high as 5/10, so the highest I can play live on a regular basis is probably 5/5. And then it's a 6 hour ride each way, rake is higher, have to tip the dealer, have to pay for the hotel stay, higher priced food, etc. I heard this quote and it rings true for me: "the day I can clone myself and play 24 tables live is the day I quit online poker". Despite having a massive edge at 5/10 and only having a slight edge at 1/2 online, the lack of rake/tips/other fees and the fact that I'm literally playing like 40 times the amount of hands in the same amount of time makes not only online poker more profitable, but also less swingy because the long run is slightly shorter. My motto is, if there's an extra edge someone is taking, I'll do my best to be better than them at taking that edge. That said, buying hands and datamining is illegal and I have never done this. I know some people do it but I like to think the majority of the poker population is honest and that most regs are not buying these hands. Not denying that this goes on, but it is illegeal and if caught players will have funds confiscated which are typically distributed among those cheated. The sites do not allow it, and in fact FTP went as far as to ban people who were not bots (or at least were very good at hiding the fact that they were bots and made sure their bots intentionally made some misclick errors that cost them money). I'm sure there is some cheating going on, but I do think the sites do a very good job at policing it, and again this comes down to my edge. If I have a much higher hourly playing online poker, even if others cheating takes away partly from that edge, as long as my edge is still bigger, I'll play online even though there is a higher risk of being cheated. Also that said, there have been numerous cheaters found in live poker rooms as well, in fact it is widely believed there is more collusion in live games than in online games, because unlike online, live casinos can not check for collusion based on mucked cards, automatic algorithms, etc. Fair points, hopefully you will understand where I'm coming from in enjoying online poker over live poker. [/QUOTE]

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