Holy Crap! poker tracker!

i finally got poker tracker and holy crap is it awesome. now i just have to figure out what all of it means.

perhaps some of you fine people could give us some pointers as to what are the best settings, what stats to keep and eye on more than others, etc.

any info would be greatly appreciated. much thanks in advance.

chiefer77 said:

i finally got poker tracker and holy crap is it awesome. now i just have to figure out what all of it means.

perhaps some of you fine people could give us some pointers as to what are the best settings, what stats to keep and eye on more than others, etc.

any info would be greatly appreciated. much thanks in advance.

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i do not have the software, but how much does it $$$?

didn't cost me a penny, downloaded it through a torrent site. got the full version.

You are right, there is a TON of valuable information available with PT. First off and most importantly you need a ton of hands in the database. Secondly, you should look to see where your biggest leaks are. There are many tools available within PT to do this. You can sort by hands which you lose the most money with, how much money you win/lose from which positions (this one ALWAYS surprises people!) These are two of the most important and easiest leaks you can fix. Once you determine your mistakes and you plug your leaks, you can then move on and try to expose the leaks of others you play against. It's hard to give specific examples of how to use specific tools, but there are a few really good PT articles on the the net. If you have an specific questions, post them here as there are many very excellent PT resources on here.

I can't help you out with PT, but I will move this over to Poker Generel, where you may get some more responses.

yeah, i wanted to put it there to begin with, i messed up. thanks JQ!

Anytime.

chiefer77 said:

didn't cost me a penny, downloaded it through a torrent site. got the full version.

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I'm sure Pat, the author of the PokerTracker software and its main support tech who has helped many of us here with our PT issues, would love to hear about you owning a pirated version of his hard work.

MrSticker said:

I'm sure Pat, the author of the PokerTracker software and its main support tech who has helped many of us here with our PT issues, would love to hear about you owning a pirated version of his hard work.

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ruh oh!

I will echo much of what gord has said, in that PT really starts to show it's teeth when you've built up a large db of hands. A couple of things that I would add to what gord has said:-

1) There is a facility to filter by hand type (eg suited aces, suited connector etc). It's well worth looking at this on a regular basis as I'm sure you will be surprised at hand that you though would be profitable that are not. A big health warning here - don't jump to wrong conclusions on the basis of a few hundred hands. If I took my PT stats for the last 500 hands, they would show pocket A's as being unprofitable - but I'm tempted to continue to raise with them pre-flop rather than throwing them away!

2) If you have a look around on the PT forum (or possibly even within PT help) you will find a link to a tutorial in PDF format. You have to pay a few $'s for it, but it goes into great depth, and is very informative. I'd recommend it. If you can't find the link, post back and I'll have a look around myself.

3) I'd recommend that you convert the db to Postgre rather than using the access db (particularly if you are going to build up a large db - and if you're not, why did you buy it)! Don't worry if you don't know much (or anything) about PL/SQL the conversion is pretty straight forward if you follow the instructions provided.

4) One thing that you can do from day 1 is to review your own performance. I usually dedicate a small amount of time after every session to replay any hand where i lost more than 2 BB's (you can revise this to suit your needs of course). It's much easier to play a hand in retrospect, but you will be surprised how much you learn, and how of en you use it in a similar situation in the future.

I'll not go into detail of how to use the software, because it's pretty intuitive when you get used to it. The PT forums are pretty good if you need help and you can always post back here with specific questions, there are plenty of us that use it.

MrSticker said:

I'm sure Pat, the author of the PokerTracker software and its main support tech who has helped many of us here with our PT issues, would love to hear about you owning a pirated version of his hard work.

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here's a hypothectical for you.

say you are a huge beatles fan and they just released a compilation album that cost thirty dollars but you don't have the money for it. you mention this to a friend and this friend finds the album on the internet and dowloads it. makes you a copy and presents it to you. are you going to say no thanks i'd much rather pay the thirty dollars for the album than get it for free.

all this stuff is on the net for free, why would i pay 150 dollars for a program that i can get for free. it's not my fault that this stuff is out there. i just simply took advantage of the situation. so please spare me the holier than thou attitude. thanks for your time.

Not that it holds up in moral court, but I'm vaguely sympathetic to that argument when it involves a group or corporation that has made ridiculous amounts of money off their product, such as the Beatles.

But a small-time programmer who puts in the effort to do this on the side? You are a thief.

KyleJRM said:

Not that it holds up in moral court, but I'm vaguely sympathetic to that argument when it involves a group or corporation that has made ridiculous amounts of money off their product, such as the Beatles.

But a small-time programmer who puts in the effort to do this on the side? You are a thief.

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if i am a thief, then you are a hypocrite because there is no difference.

and i'm sure that pat has made a killing of his program. not that it makes any bit of difference to me.

Gotta agree with the above, pretty dodgy attitude there about flaunting the fact you got it for free.

I think copyright laws in this country are really really badly messed up and not doing anythign remotely close to what they are supposed to do (which is insure the original creator of the work is able to make a profit from it). Coming in here with an attitude and trying to defend what you did isn't gonna fly very well here though. You obtained an illegal copy, what you did here in this case I would condemn as wrong.

Anyway.. this thread sorta getting derailed cause of that comment. Pokertracker is great and I'm planning on changing my primary poker sites just so I can use it in the near future.

/support the guys who put alot of effort into it though!

chiefer77 said:

here's a hypothectical for you.

say you are a huge beatles fan and they just released a compilation album that cost thirty dollars but you don't have the money for it. you mention this to a friend and this friend finds the album on the internet and dowloads it. makes you a copy and presents it to you. are you going to say no thanks i'd much rather pay the thirty dollars for the album than get it for free.

all this stuff is on the net for free, why would i pay 150 dollars for a program that i can get for free. it's not my fault that this stuff is out there. i just simply took advantage of the situation. so please spare me the holier than thou attitude. thanks for your time.

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Here's an actual for you. The cost for Poker Tracker is $55. For that you get support and updates.

Since you decided you'd steal it, I hope you enjoy figuring it out.

Tygran said:

Gotta agree with the above, pretty dodgy attitude there about flaunting the fact you got it for free.

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i didn't flaunt it. i was asked a question and i answered truthfully.

chiefer77 said:

if i am a thief, then you are a hypocrite because there is no difference.

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Guilty as charged.

Guys, hush about torrents and stuff and stop arguing. Obviously pirating software is illegal and as such discussing it at length (a) isn't allowed, and (b) isn't at all relevant to this thread anyway. Any more and I'll just nuke all the silly posts in here - if you want an ethical discussion go and make an ethical discussion thread in PL or something (actually please don't seeing as it will just devolve into random internet shouting after a while, as most 'ethics'-related threads do).

Back on topic, here's some blatant self-promotion.

pokertracker

1. PokerTracker costs $55 (for one game, such as hold'em). It really is a HUGE value at that cost and there is simply no reason not to pay for it.

2. Here is ChuckTs beginner's guide.

3. Here is a set of articles that you might find of use.

4. Here are the autorate rules that I use.

5. Here is a guide you can buy (for $20).

6. A new version is coming out shortly, and I would encourage you to buy it.

aliengenius said:

1. PokerTracker costs $55 (for one game, such as hold'em). It really is a HUGE value at that cost and there is simply no reason not to pay for it.

2. Here is ChuckTs beginner's guide.

3. Here is a set of articles that you might find of use.

4. Here are the autorate rules that I use.

5. Here is a guide you can buy (for $20).

6. A new version is coming out shortly, and I would encourage you to buy it.

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The question about how to get the most out of PT comes up a lot on CC. Maybe this reply by AG or something similar (along with the information on the PT pdf tutorial) should be stickied somewhere?

wickedlovely said:

The question about how to get the most out of PT comes up a lot on CC. Maybe this reply by AG or something similar (along with the information on the PT pdf tutorial) should be stickied somewhere?

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Thanks wl.

Here and here are two more PT articles that might be of interest.

Not that I would want to undermine Pat at PT, but there's possibly a good case for a dedicated forum for PT issues / discussion.

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As previously stated by "Wickedlovely".

Could this thread be moved to say the Golden Archives for future reference

Thanks