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Message: [QUOTE="RamdeeBen, post: 1675235, member: 71146"] Hello, I was reading a couple of poker stories of pro players and how they started. There are plenty with a story like this, duuur included but the two main ones I'm on about are "[I]URnotindanger[/I]" and "[I]jungleman[/I]" This is a quote from [I]URnotindanger[/I]: [B]"I started playing poker when I was 15 years old with friends from soccer. We played $10/$20 twenty-person tournaments where I won the first four. I played live $1/$2 cash games around 2-4 times a week until I was 18. I got $90 online from a friend and within the first month I moved up from $.25/$.50 to $2/$4. A year and half later, I was playing $100/$200." [/B] Now, I'm quite a BR nit but I'm wondering if it's holding me back and maybe other players because of how important BR management is. Now looking at what he plays, this is HU and 6max. This gives him only 1.5 buy-ins with lets be honest a very high variance form of holdem. This seems quite difficult and next to impossible in FULL RING let alone 6max and HU. These guys every hand they got involved must of ran so hot and never folded and basically won every pot! Obviously people will say this is a very aggressive approach to BR management, but there's aggressive and then there's just short term luck factors. I'm guessing he must of get extremely lucky not to bust his role as we all know that 1.5buy-ins is just basically like throwing your money down the drain many times over or is it because he knew he was so good and knew he wouldn't bust? The same applies to JungleMan, he started with even less, $50.00 and played with one buy-in and now has managed to turn that into 5million. I just didn't think no matter HOW good you are that this was even possible even though it's proven it is! What is going on lol. Do they just run super super good and hot and keep playing these limits till they build the roll to have that cushion then put real BR management into place? [I]Sauce1234[/I] is another example and he openly admits he played with aggressive BR management but actually had a good roll to play and start at 50nl so realistically if you're a good played like he is then it's possible but he also stated he ran REALLY hot to build his roll. Yet his roll was like a decent amount of buy-ins, not just one! He started with $500.00 and busted it, then loaned another $500 and "hasn't looked back since" as they say. I'd like some input on this. Back then the games were probably a lot softer than they are nowadays and I wonder if these pros could do the same with the same sort of BR management they HAD in place when they started or if they would bust over and over playing with 1-2 buy-ins these days because I never played years ago so I don't really know how soft these games were but everyone says they was extremely soft back then. All it takes is one stack off which must occur often enough for you to bust your roll and not be able to reload, how do you think they encountered this problem? I can only think they played short stacked(even short stacked you aren't getting more than 4 buy-ins?) or didn't get themselves into positions where they had to get it all-in.. I mean there MUST of been a time where they got it all-in pre flop or even all-in at some stage during a hand and got sucked, surely? Clearly not though or this would indeed BUST them. How on earth is this possible..I don't understand it. It's like a really good pro (phil Ivey) sitting with one buy-in at a table of 50cents and building his roll up buy-in after buy-in...why aren;t these people losing a buy-in here and there? Are they THAT good or something? They must never ever of taken a bad beat, like ever when deep in a hand, yet it's quite common on a daily basis to lose your favourite hand over and over as we are all aware. All these players are now playing the highest stakes available online and it makes you wonder if many other players just as good who aren't playing these stacks did have the same approach and just busted their roll and never deposited again and basically these two examples are the very few who actually ran sooo hot they just couldn't lose a hand for x amount of time? Is it like a lottery in some sense? Say you have 10million players on the exact same level of skill as jungleman and URnotindanger and they all started with one buy-in. Could you only indeed expect maybe like 2 or 3 actually turning that $50 into millions of dollars even though they are the same skill level or could you expect all 10 million of these players to turn it into millions? [/QUOTE]

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