How do you check on another player stats

I tried the officialpokerrankings site and after two searches it wanted me to log in. That is how they must track what you are doing if you have to list your account names and sites you play they can tell if you are logged into the site at the same time. I'm 68.54 % , what does ITM stand for? Oh never mind "In the money" lol probably why I dont know what it is lol!

dmorris68 said:

It's trivial for any Windows application to list what other applications are both installed and running on your PC. The sites you visit in a web browser display the site title in the window caption, which again is trivial for an application to see.

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Has anyone here actually gotten this warning? I don't do it "just in case", but I have a firewall that stops Windows itself from doing random things unless I allow it and am pretty sure it would tell me if a poker site tried to do something I had yet to allow it to do. Its actually not trivial its an invasion of privacy that we all agreed to when we joined the site.

salim271 said:

I dont go to PTR but I go to propokerlabs.com... anyone know full tilt's policy on this?

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The same as for any stats site -- not allowed while you're in-game. They all pretty much prohibit looking up stats or hands that you were not involved in. Of course it's virtually impossible for them to detect and police it outside of a running game, but the terms are pretty explicit regardless. If you were to talk too much about it, say in an internet forum (which nearly all the sites lurk btw) where you also posted your account name, they could conceivably take action, but I don't think they're really farming the forums for violators. Just don't do it in-game!

suit2please said:

Has anyone here actually gotten this warning? I don't do it "just in case", but I have a firewall that stops Windows itself from doing random things unless I allow it and am pretty sure it would tell me if a poker site tried to do something I had yet to allow it to do. Its actually not trivial its an invasion of privacy that we all agreed to when we joined the site.

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Yes people have been warned.

You can't stop this behavior with a firewall. A firewall has no control over what an application does to your computer itself, only whether it's allowed to talk to the external network (internet) or not. You must allow your poker client to communicate through the firewall -- it obviously won't work otherwise -- so as far as the firewall is concerned, its job is done.

I'm wondering if you fully read the terms and conditions of a poker site before you signed up, particularly the big ones. Prohibited software and the means to detect it are explicitly mentioned in the T&C of most if not all of them. By accepting the T&C and signing up, you are granting explicit permission for them to monitor what you're doing while the poker client is running. Therefore it is not an invasion of privacy because there should be no expectation of privacy after accepting those terms. It's not like they're viewing your bank account data and watching what pr0n sites you visit. They're protecting their integrity and the expectation of their players to play in a cheat-free environment (as much as possible). So IMO they have every right, because there would otherwise be no way to enforce those rules.

To prove the point about the T&C, here are excerpts from PokerStars and FullTilt (which appear to be written by the same person):

PokerStars Terms & Conditions said:

5.5. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPA). PokerStars prohibits those External Player Assistance Programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide an "Unfair Advantage" to players. PokerStars defines "External" to mean computer software (other than the Software), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g. web sites and subscription services). PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as any instance in which a User accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play. We encourage you to read our Prohibited Online Software FAQ.
5.6. AUTOMATIC PLAYERS (BOTS). The use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, "robots" is strictly forbidden in connection with the Service. All actions taken in relation to the Service by a User must be executed personally by players through the user interface accessible by use of the Software.
5.7. You agree that PokerStars may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with the PokerStars Software on the User's computer.

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FullTilt Terms & Conditions said:

10.3. EXTERNAL PLAYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS (EPAs)

We prohibit the use of external player assistance programs (EPA programs) which are designed to provide an "unfair advantage" to players. EPA programs include computer software (other than the game client provided by us), and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g., web sites and subscription services). In this clause 10.3 an "unfair advantage" is gained where a player accesses or compiles information on other players beyond that which the player has personally observed through the player's own game play.
10.4. AUTOMATIC PLAYERS (BOTS)
10.4.1. The use of artificial intelligence including, without limitation, "robots" is strictly forbidden in connection with the Software and the Games. All actions taken in relation to the Games by you must be executed personally by you through the user interface accessible by use of the Software.
10.4.2. You agree that we may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with our Software on your computer.
For further information, see the Prohibited Program Policy for a detailed description of prohibited software, which can be viewed from www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs.php.

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LOL, i guess you didn't read what I said, since I said we all agreed to the violation of privacy (so you posting excerpts from the T&C was a waste of time, but go on proving as many points as you would like). And my firewall does more than just block connections, hence why i said it blocks windows from doing stuff. I can allow programs on the internet, but not allow them to access other parts of my computer and operating system. Its another part of the firewall program, not the firewall part itself.

*Im not saying the program necessarily can stop them from checking what Im doing. And I could careless, I barely ever use those types of sites except to check on my and my friends stats.

I did read what you said, which is why I said it WASN'T a violation of privacy since there is no privacy expected -- it ceases to be a violation when you explicitly grant access.

And splitting hairs thought it may be, as you pointed out, the firewall itself doesn't do ANYTHING related to what applications do on your computer, only that what traffic can go in/out of your computer. The fact you have other components of your internet security suite that may attempt to do those things was not the point, since you just said "firewall." And FWIW, simply enumerating running applications and windows does not trigger any security suite that I'm aware of, it's pretty standard application behavior that tons of Apps do and falls well outside the concerns of security software -- they're more concerned with keylogging, process injection, etc. As someone who works in the field, I come across a lot of people who don't know what a firewall does or does not do, and it's my job to help them understand, so it's something I just tend to naturally do. People here educate me about poker, so I try to help educate others as to whatever my specialty might be. Sorry if that offends you, but you don't have to read it either.

As far as "wasting my time" it was an attempt to help, which is never a waste of time. Except when people obviously don't want nor think they need help, which is apparent here so I'll just move along.

dmorris68 said:

The same as for any stats site -- not allowed while you're in-game. They all pretty much prohibit looking up stats or hands that you were not involved in. Of course it's virtually impossible for them to detect and police it outside of a running game, but the terms are pretty explicit regardless. If you were to talk too much about it, say in an internet forum (which nearly all the sites lurk btw) where you also posted your account name, they could conceivably take action, but I don't think they're really farming the forums for violators. Just don't do it in-game!

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Ah well. At my level I'm usually just checking to see if there are any actual good players sitting with me, usually find one or two J+ SnG players at the DD SnGs. tells me who not to mess with when I have something like TT and they reraise me all in.