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Message: [QUOTE="Faust, post: 2379908, member: 113846"] I agree with a comment from waterboy73 In my opinion victory depends on our objectives. If our objective is to learn then victory would be to have learnt something, even if you lost something in other terms (such as money, reputation, etc). However in reality we don't have just one objective when we do something, usually we have many (wheter we know them explicitly or not) which are interdependent, so victory would be defined in a new way, you would have victory if you satisfy all your objectives at the same time. Now that's not simple to do, and it's even harder when you try to do it with excellence, so the best way to approach victory is by using methods, calculating, and leaving (on purpose) out of the equation some factors that if considered will get you to a "lower victory". I will give a simple example to understand what i said, supose you are at a tournament, your objectives would be ending up with a prize, learn, improve your status as a player, and of course enjoy a great time (probably others too, like rivalry, etc). Now, even though life is happening and you should enjoy all the time, you leave this factor aside (enjoy) to be able to concentrate in the others, which require the use of intelligence. So if you want to improve your status you will have to play in certain way, winning some kickass hands. If you want to win a prize don't make any mistake, if you want to learn just pay attention (which requires a lot of energy), and if you want to enjoy simple relax. I like to think the factors like volume knobs, you have to regulate them to keep hearing the music with armony, if music is over ... simple that's not victory. [/QUOTE]

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