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Message: [QUOTE="nevadanick, post: 794779, member: 27547"] IMO, there are TWO objectives in a tourney. Accumulate chips AND stay alive. You cannot win anything with no chips and no chair. Third best starting hand?? Yep - [B]pf ONLY[/B]. I just cannot wrap my mind around not wanting to see cards to make intelligent poker decisions. In this case you have 2 outs, that's it. You are beat by AA, KK or a coin flip (IMO) facing any Ax or Kx, not to mention what a flop might bring. OP said he had the reads. The writing was on the wall, and he didn't want to read. Since several agreed with Zach, re-read his post. He put the caveat aboard that his post was UNLESS it was several hundred buy-in. In fact, it [B]was [/B]165euro. OP added that players were good (so he had a history read) and villain had been playing tight. I can't say the preflop raise would have made me fold, but I think I would have at least simply called. SHOW ME CARDS, not Lady Luck's backside as I exit the building. If just playing the odds were a formula for success, why can't you just go to the horsetrack and bet the favorite to win every race, and come away a winner? Good pony players want to see the form AND the horse. They don't run to the window and plop their cash, sight unseen, on every favorite. (at least none that I know) I fully understand that I am in a minority going against the 'insta-calls' and 'gotta push' advisories. The only thing that I have to back up what I believe is that I play 99% online on Stars and Tilt and have small BR's on each site - and I have never deposited one thin dime anywhere online. I also play live smaller MTT's when I can and started playing live in '69. It's been said over and over (by forum members, here and elsewhere) that playing the way I do will not make me a winning poker player. Since my live wins have always paid for my tourney losses and I have BR's generated by FR's (and some stud ring games from time to time), am I a losing player? Please.... let me lose this way ... :cool: Just like the old saying that 'old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill', I also subscribe to 'patience and discipline will overcome youth and aggression' when it comes to poker. Play on ... insta-call = insta-out. Reload, rebuy, re-deposit ... it's only money ... :D My point, relating to the OP, trust what you know. IMO, there are better situations to put all your chips in the middle. Cooler-schmooler, you ran out into the freeway traffic blindfolded. See cards, my friend, see cards. [/QUOTE]

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