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Message: [QUOTE="Vollycat, post: 1762424, member: 23635"] I'll try to explain myself because better because I'm with absoluthamm on this one. The tourney (sng, whatever) is Live. So let's be generous...a starting stack of 3,000 chips. This would be considered a deep stack tourney, and if we are talking a $25 buy in live....1,500 is probably closer to real. Blinds will most likely start at 25/50, if you are lucky--it could be 50/100, but let's use 25/50. Live game will get you 30-40 hands per hour MAX, and playing with people that don't know what they are doing will greatly slow the game. Blinds typically double every 15 minutes, but I'll give you 20 minutes (many cases it's 12 min blinds. If you get 1 orbit per blind you're doing pretty good.). This is all assumption the OP didn't discuss, but playing live it's really just assumed I thought. So say you limp (that's the game plan right?) 4 times in the first round, that's 200 chips, and for sake of math, that included your blinds in those limps (however many of you are indicating a MUCH looser style so....). On the button you limp with K9s (within the range of limping style and in position) along with 5 others and you catch top pair on a dry board. Pot is 250. Checked to you and you lead out with 200. You get one caller. Pot 850. You turn your 9 and have 2 pair, checked to you so you fire off 500, he calls. Pot 1850. River is a blank and you get nervous because why is this guy calling??? He flips over a set of 3's. He never bet?!?! Nope, because he doesn't know what he's doing and after all, there was a K on the board and you were firing at the pot. So now you're down to 2100 chips...a 1/3 of your stack. 2 more rounds of limping at (4X per round) at blinds of 50/100 and 100/200 and you catch nothing and now sit with 900 chips and blinds are 200/400 and you are faced with all-in on any play...and you 'played' 1 hand. Limping into a Live tourney with bad players will suck you dry. If you would have played 1 premium hand and it didn't hit, you'd be left with close to 2K chips still. Sorry for long explanation, but that's why I think freq limping into a live tourney especially is poor strategy. If you are playing with guys who do not know the game you don't have to play much past ABC, and if you get too fancy, it will almost surely cost you. Your chips are your ammunition, save them until you need it. [/QUOTE]

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