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[QUOTE="Luvepoker, post: 6810820, member: 307971"]
The problem I see is it's not just time of how much you lose.

Several years ago, I had my worse downturn.  10 months of losing and watching my roll shrink.  Now I did figure out the issues and it was in my play, and I fixed it and finally started doing better.  Now some will say 11+ months is a way to long of downturn.  Losing money in 10 of the 11.  Yes, that's bad.  Now at that time I dd not play as much poker.  That year I plated 133 tournaments.  That is a really small sample size to be honest.  Depending on what way you look at it it was really bad to not so bad.  Worse still the 1 month I did well I did really well.  It really affected my ROI that was up for the year.  I won a satellite ticket and went to 3rd in the event.  That one event actually gave me a positive ROI for the year, and I mean really positive. Taking that one event out made me not just a losing player but a big time losing ROI.

now going to the 1st post it was said A guy lost 3 million.  OK that's alot but if he was playing 100K events that's only 30 Buy ins.  This would not make a winning player a ban on necessarily but in a downturn.  Lets look at Danial Negreanu.  Look at his last 2 WSOP years. He lost more than many make in a lifetime. Was it a bad player or downturn?  The amount is high but look at the variety of games but ins he played?  He could win a bracelet in the coleuses but still lost over 1/2 million in the series.

When i come to downturns we need to remember poker is a long term game.  Going a year and not winning is very possible.  Have a great year and winning with a ROI of 100+ does not mean you're a real winning player.  Its more about the volume and over time played that matters.
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