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Message: [QUOTE="Poker Orifice, post: 2105628, member: 33113"] i believe its the only way to be able to say if someone is a pro or not.So what are you actually talking about in this thread? What is your question? A 'winning player' (consistently) or a 'pro'?I was just watching some of the SCOOP high buyin tournaments on Stars & am pretty sure a good percentage of them are strictly 'tournament' players (many actually in excess of $1mill in profit just in Stars mtt's alone). Would they not qualify as a consistently winning player? (based on your post).Don't all the different formats require some type of skill set to become a consistently 'winning player'?My own experience. I played a bit of everything when I first began playing online poker (all micro stakes) > Stud, nlhe fullring/6max, SNG's, MTT's, 6-max sng's. I felt I needed to focus more on one format if I was going to become a consistently winning player (I chose SNG's & MTT's).I'd say for the first 6mos I was probably a losing player in SNG's, maybe -5% to -10% ROI. (in mtt's I'd always been +ROI but was skewed from placing 2nd in my first game I played, even though it was only a $1 buyin).I was motivated by the competition & need to win (I didn't really care much about the money). I knew I didn't want to keep playing if I wasn't winning.I decided to spend quite a bit of time to studying, starting off with a handful of books & some decent strategy guides (read the sticky section on one forum a couple times over, saving some articles I knew I'd want to go over again later).I found my results changed dramatically. From that point on I was consistently winning.Poker is like anything else. The more time you put into it, the better you will get. You also want to use that study time wisely.SO. How long would it take? "It depends". I've coached some losing microstakes players who'd been playing for a few years and they became winning players within a couple weeks. If a person puts in the time I think a motivated new player could be a winning player within a couple mos. (maybe sooner if they put in ALOT of time). [/QUOTE]

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