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Message: [QUOTE="blueskies, post: 1455335, member: 50699"] I agree. People who fold 59 offsuit preflop only to see a board of 559KQ somehow lost because they weren't skillful enough? The study should only take into account post flop hands. (I may be wrong, but I think the study looked at hands that were folded preflop also) I had a hand today that was the combination of bad luck and bad skill on my part. I had KK on SB. I open raised to 3bb. Got called, and the flop was 10J6 rainbow. I lead out with a sizeable bet. Got called. Turn is a 6h. I bet almost the size of the pot again. Got called again. Then the river comes another J, and I knew I was beat. I checked it. He shoves all in. Now, if I played this correctly I should fold because I was almost certain he has a J. I only had a lil more than $1 left, and I was getting more than 3:1 to call, so I did. He had J10 and had me on the flop. It was bad luck that he beat me even though I was 4:1 at least against him going in, but it was bad skill in that I could not fold my KK. I am down 5 buy ins in the last week because of hands like this. I would get QQ to AA but fail to lay it down even though my gut said I was beat. Yeah it's really shitty luck that 4 out of 5 times I've gone in with the superior hand I've been outflopped, but it's my own fault that I couldn't limit my losses. I kept track - Of the last 11 times I went to showdown with the QQ-AA, I lost 8 times. Most of them were all in preflop, but of the 3 that I could have folded and saved maybe 1/3 to half my stack, I didn't. It was going bad before that (that's why I began keeping track), so my run has actually been a little worse. I dunno the exact stats before I kept track. [/QUOTE]

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