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Message: [QUOTE="AugustStorm, post: 2595117, member: 133039"] [b]Wow[/b] Gee I hope this thread hasn't died out cuz this is EXACTLY the kind of misinforming attitude that spreads a suffocating ignorance thru the entire room.... I've been a poker dealer for 10yrs (from 3 casinos in 3 different states to traveling charity events and even underground games in the back of chinatown restaurants) and I can tell you first hand that I have NEVER been paid more than $5/hr by a casino! Not only is it considered a tipped profession (with a minimal tipped employee pay) but Indian casinos that are built on sovereign land are exempt from federal wage/workplace laws, which means minimum wage does not exist, health benefits are not offered, paid sick days are non-existent (no salary to base it off of) and enduring a 3hr hell drive to work in a snow storm doesn't even guarantee you a full days pay, as I have arrived in such circumstances only to be sent right back into the blizzard because not enough tables were open... which is really a bad beat cuz you end up loosing money on the gas/milage just to be sent home. Now, the bright side is that (if you're like me) you can run a smooth game, make change in the middle of hands without the floor/pit babysitting, vocalize the action, and keep count of the pot while monitoring the 2 idiots in the 3 & 4 seats who are making side bets on whether the river is red or black... then you can get out a good 30 hands per down (aka half hour) and make about $50 an hour. But the problem lies where you end up pushing most of the pots to a guy like this who has this attitude. I gotta say, the whole waiting till the end to throw the dealer $5 or $10 for exceptional service is the worst possible energy you can bring to the table. In all honesty, it is true that the dealer doesn't really have control in making you win, but like I mentioned earlier, it IS a profession based on tips if nothing else.... so after the first pot or 2 that you stiff the dealer on, he/she could feel a little discouraged and start slowing it waaaay down thinking "f I was friendly and did my job correctly and still didnt get tipped from the guy who keeps taking pots, then I may as well not exert myself because I can't do worse than $0" Now the dealer stops paying attention and if other players see you not tipping, well monkey see monkey do and a person who would have normally tipped just didn't all because he's following the discourteous norm that you have set. More resentment kicks in and now the dealer is just WAITING for the next pot you get into, not to "cheat" you (that idea only further proves your ignorance) but to make a "mistake" like burn and turn before you had your action so you can make a big scene and play like shit with all the excitement, or muck the deck and push the pot when your opponent bets "forgetting" that you were even still in the hand, turning 2 cards that are "stuck together" hahaa, making such a mess that the floor has to come over and spend so much time fixing it that the next dealer is already here to relieve. After all, it should be real easy for the dealer to seem "off" or "confused" to cameras and management, especially since you've been (as you mentioned) directing the dealers on how to their job chopping pots, etc all night. Its a horrible snowball effect all for what? So you can save $1 or $2 each pot...?.... Whats that, around 1% of the average 1/2 No Limit pot? Wow. Do you also pack lunch in a cooler to avoid dining cost and tipping the drink girl? If things are that tight, do everyone a favor and just stay home and avoid the rake all together. [/QUOTE]

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