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Message: [QUOTE="zinzir, post: 5641970, member: 406896"] Thank you for your kind words, Evan. Sorry it took me a long time to reply to your post, somehow I missed it until today. I agree with everything you said about randomness, but what I was trying to say in my post was independent of it. Here is what I said: [COLOR=#222533]"If you are mostly surprised by how bad the players who win against you are, you're a bad player.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]If you are mainly surprised by how bad the players you win against are, you're a good player.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]If you can't tell one way or the other, you are a donk."[/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]And this is what I meant by it:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533][B]As a bad player[/B], you mistakenly consider your opponents being bad players. In reality, the majority of the players constantly winning against you with inferior starting hands are actually superior players hustling you. They noticed you are always playing a certain range of starting hands and are playing passively enough to give them good odds to play all kinds of hands against you, and fold as soon as you improve but bet for value when they improve. The end result is you seeing the river only when you lose, most of the time to an inferior starting hand. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533][B]The good player[/B] is the reverse of the coin, the actual hustler, "surprised" by the opponents described above basically handing him their money while calling him a bad player at the same time. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]Now,[B] the donk[/B], my own species. As a donk, making grossly over sized bets and going all in pre flop or right after the flop aka betting big with more cards to come, you essentially force your opponents to either call or fold, so the best you can do about your opponents is assess how tight they are, but not how good they are. So at the end of your sessions, based on the way your opponents played against yourself, you can't really tell who was a good player and who was not. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]Of course, my original post was intended to be just a funny observation and not a real tool for self assessment. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#222533]By the way, I came up with a formula that I think is helpful for freerollers to self assess if they are ready to consider a jump to buy-in MTTs. If you have time, I would appreciate your opinion about it. The OP is about a gross retrospective estimation, my second post in the thread explains how to accurately calculate "imaginary buy-ins" for tournaments you know the exact number of players.[/COLOR] [URL]https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-poker-59/you-a-winning-freeroll-player-459393/[/URL] Thanks in advance :) [FONT=NotoSans, Lato, arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#222533] [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=NotoSans, Lato, arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#222533] [/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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