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Message: [QUOTE="Phoenix Wright, post: 5703545, member: 419963"] I love this post! :) It is so very true. Not only is talking like this usually a mistake (giving away "free information"), but like you said, you can often times learn a lot by HOW and WHAT they are saying. In many cases, it really just shows you how they do not fundamentally understand the game. We might use this information several hands later when we are sitting in the Low-Jack position and looking down at pocket Aces; we might just win all of their chips right there, because we have more information on how they play the game! (LJ position at the table because I recall that being your favorite seat at the table via the 30 Day Course on Cardschat. Whenever I am in the LJ, I usually think of your story Katie :) ) A good example of someone insulting in a way that gives away their fundamental lack of understanding (especially the situations) at the poker table comes from a game I recently played on Pokerstars. Mind you, this was a "play-chip" game at the lower stakes - so you would expect more players to be a bit more relaxed about it. Anyway, not this guy. After a few "bad beats" that were fairly standard, this person would start insulting others etc. Anyway, they had been at the table a while and I've seen them enter a bit too many pots with too little in my opinion. They limp UTG and I raise to 3x in the CO with A3 suited, everyone else, including the blinds, folds and so we go heads up to the flop. Neither of us were short-stacked and I was clearly playing the situation - not my hand. A3 suited isn't a premium hand by any means, but it can play good as some 3-bet mix ups in late position and I was playing the situation - not my cards. Anyway, the flop brings me a flush draw on a King-high board. I had a read they missed the flop (betting pattern timing) and so I value bet. The turn is a blank and I value bet again. The River comes a King and I value bet again to about half of their remaining chip stack. I figured my hand (even though only Ace-high) was still good because of the way they played the hand and what I've observed them play. Through their insulting chatter in other hands (as well as this one), I learned that they didn't really understand the power of position and situations at the table. They fold on the River to the pressure and then they start really going off in the chat. "I can't believe you got lucky with a King there" and so on. Of course, I just ignored it. A few hands later they bring it up again (we were not even active in this hand) "You must have had Ace-King." I finally just responded something like: "No, but you can believe that if it makes you feel better ;)" and then they bring it up again later on! This is about one orbit later and they are still talking about that hand! After they keep guessing what my hand was "unsuccessfully" might I add, I finally just say, "look man, the hand is over: you really need to move on." Typically I just ignore insulting people like this, but sometimes you just have to let them know your aren't fazed and let them burn themselves out. Luckily I didn't have to put up with more insulting because I busted them with pocket Queens a few hands later, but that is just icing on the cake. Some players just take the game way too seriously and there is NO REASON to be insulting other players. Agreed. Probably 90% of the time (especially online) I just ignore these people. They are attention-seeking and responses usually just give them fuel for their fire. More so in live games (but sometimes online), you just have to stand up for yourself at some point though. If in a live game, there is nothing out-of-line with you mentioning their behavior to the dealer or floor manager. Getting emotional about the poker game is one thing (although usually advised against), but insulting other players is uncalled for and rude. Just bad "table manners" really. Wow. I've never had anyone say this just for saying "hi" or "GL everyone." In fact, if someone online says something like this, I usually respond with something friendly back as well. It hurts nothing to say "GL back" or a friendly "hi." Talking mid-hand has its own problems (mainly with giving away information), but there is nothing wrong with something friendly like this between hands or when the game just starts. If you chat "hi" at my table, then I'll probably chat "hi" back as well :) lol - thanks for sharing. Good to have a sense of humor sometimes. I might "ignore it" by not responding, but I'm always paying attention to it. As Katie highlighted, we can learn a lot when other players start talking - this is "free" information we are able to gain if we pay attention to them. [/QUOTE]

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