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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 1067567, member: 26306"] Just so you know HSP is considered entertainment for them and most of them aren't playing the best they can they are simply advertising an image. Galfond sat and played like a nit which he said he thought was optimal because the other players were playing so badly and got booted after a day even though he was scheduled for a second day. It's a show, not real poker. Funny you mention that. Pretty sure Dwan has played more hands than Doyle did his first 20 years. I'm going to be blunt. WSOPs don't mean shit in poker. There is a ton of luck involved, and the long-run in big MTTs like those can be several lifetimes. The difference between 0 and 5 bracelets is just a few coin flips. I think ROI in the WSOP would be a bigger indicator, but even that I think he'd rather play the side cash games that run there. Hellmuth is bad in real poker. He knows how to play tournaments and push or fold. But I am 100% serious when I say I'd like to sit with Hellmuth in a cash game. Maybe I'm wrong, but everything I've seen I believe I have an edge on him in cash game play. Tourney play is an entirely different story, but in real deepstacked poker I'll take Hellmuth all day. Watch PAD and if you know anything about poker you can see how badly Hellmuth gets owned. The thing is you're getting opinions from people who don't know what good live play is. Ask Ivey, Negreanu, Cunningham, Brunson, etc. I don't know how much he's played with them but if you can get someone like that to say he sucks live, then I'll admit you're right. But asking Matusow's brother? [/QUOTE]

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