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Message: [QUOTE="mrmonkey, post: 1668568, member: 72028"] beezy, how many hands have you seen at cash 2nl? How many SNG? You really need about 15,000+ hands at cash ring to get a sense of whether you are a consistent winner or loser, and not just the recipient of good or bad luck. Swings can last a good 5,000-10,000 hands For SNG, it's probably something like 500-1000 STT SNG under your belt to determine where you are really at. The thing is, it's likely you have not played enough to really know yet if you are a consistent winner or loser yet. I remember you making a thread a while back about depositing $10 or somesuch and losing it quickly, then redepositing another $10 and losing that quickly. 5-10 buyin swings at cash ring in any level of poker is fairly normal, and at 2nl that means $10-20 swings are to be expected... so even if you are the donkiest donk to ever donk off your stack you could still easily be +$20 from what you should be or if you are Phil Ivey sitting in at 2nl for a little while you could be -$20 making every right decision and owning the noobs (but getting sucked out on every which way). So that said, winning or losing $20 at this point really doesn't tell you anything about your current skill level. What you do need to do at this point in time with a tiny $30 roll is to figure out how good you really are, and to play as much as possible to figure out what you are doing wrong and what you are doing right. I think the immediate goal should not be to win or lose money, but rather to say to yourself you will get 15,000 hands of experience out of your $30 bankroll at [B]cash ring 2nl and ONLY 2nl[/B]. Don't worry about your bankroll, just focus on how you are playing each hand. After 15,000 hands, take a look at what you have learned and see where your bankroll is at. If your bankroll is around zero, then you know you have a lot to learn. If your bankroll is unchanged, then you know you can at least play break even, and a few tweaks may make you a winner. If your bankroll has grown, then you know you can probably beat 2nl and should keep doing what you are doing while making small tweaks to improve your winrate. I would also recommend downloading a poker tracking program such as Poker Tracker 3 and begin using its 60-day trial. The HUD isn't necessarily the reason for using it as this point for you, rather I think it's more important you put in a lot of volume and track your progress and see your stats -- such as how many pots you are entering and how aggressively you are playing. PT3 makes it a lot easier to review your past hands and to fix things that you may be doing wrong. Sorry for the wall of text... [B]In short:[/B] Don't worry about your bankroll right now, focus on getting experience and learning. Try to get at least 15,000 hands out of your $30 bankroll by sticking to ONLY cash ring 2nl, and playing NOTHING ELSE. Use a very tight preflop starting range hand chart, and pay particular attention to position. After 15,000 hands, look back at what you have done and evaluate your next step. [/QUOTE]

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