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Message: [QUOTE="mrmonkey, post: 1668645, member: 72028"] This is exactly the reason why it's very hard to get a sense of where you are at in the beginning, because things like this can happen which look terrible to your bankroll but you might actually have been playing perfectly. You can get poker tracker 3 here: [url]http://www.pokertracker.com/[/url] I agree definitely with all OzExorcist has to say here and in his excellent bankroll building guide post that Pokerfornia linked to below. Read it and internalize it! It is important to gain experience and volume, but do it at a pace that is comfortable. Don't push for more tables unless you feel like you can handle it while being observant of other players and taking notes on their playing. Building a bankroll from nothing while trying to stay within some sort of BRM framework with a low risk of ruin is usually slow and laborious work. When doing so, it's really not about the money -- it's about learning and enjoying the game of poker and improving along the way. When this begins to happen, the bankroll will naturally follow suit. I'm mostly in agreement with you here, but I think at regular cash 15k hands is an ok starting point that can give some basic indicators of how you're playing. Yes, swings can last longer than 15k hands, but the probability of an extended heater or cooler over such a period is probably a lot less than a sampling of only 5-10k hands. I know most will say 50k-100k are a better indicator, but honestly putting in 100k hands at 2nl 1-4 tabling would take an eternity. The key thing here is that OP understand that variance swings in poker can last over many many hands, so it is difficult to get a good feel for how good or bad you are playing independently of luck without putting in a fair number of hands. I don't necessarily think this is true -- it's possible to do with the right mindset and finding ones "best fit" game. This is why I think it's important not to really think about the money at first, but just focus on the actual poker being played. When you get more confident after having played x amount of hands and starting to come into your own game, then you can get more serious about figuring out the fastest/most efficient ways to grow your bankroll. It sounds to me like OP is not yet 100% confident about where he stands with his poker skillset -- so to get an idea requires just a lot of hands being played. There's another member on CC that is grinding a tiny roll at Pstars, made his way up to $50 in about 2 months or so playing 2nl FR. I know this seems miniscule, but he has put in about 40,000+ hands and is posting a winrate of about 2.5bb/100 -- not setting the world on fire, but it's a good starting platform to go from and see where he can improve and get that winrate going higher. Another good example of a 2nl grinder that practiced very tight bankroll discipline can be found here: [url]https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-goals-challenges-wins-46/[/url] [/QUOTE]

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