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Message: [QUOTE="aliengenius, post: 712474, member: 11924"] Moneymaker is ok in my book. I think he has played well in everything I have seen after his wsop win (esp. see the tournament vs. Phil Gordon and an amateur player in the final three). Raymer was a fairly regular 200/400 player before his win, and clearly backed up his success the following year by going deep again. He is obvioulsy a professional level player. The same can not be said of Yang, who really actully played poorly and won (although you might argue that is pre-flop 'kill phil' aggression was the correct overall strategy). He made some of the worst calls I have ever seen, however. Hachem is a good player. If you don't think so, just ask your calling station idol, [URL="http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-journal.php?subaction=showfull&id=1167928021&archive="]Daniel Negreanu. [/URL] [/QUOTE]