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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 1079111, member: 26306"] There is skill involved, but the biggest reason poker is considered a skill game is that you see the same situations again and again and again. It doesn't matter if you get set over setted a few times in a session, because over the long run you will have the same amount the other way. This is the reason in cash games BRM is so important. If you play mostly 25nl and then decide to take your entire bankroll up to play in a 1knl game, it's mostly luck. Sure if you have an edge you have a better chance to win than lose, but in a short session say you have 60% chance of winning, that's still 40% of the time you lose your bankroll. So even though it is still skill, that player is relying mostly on luck, whereas if he would wait until he was rolled to take shots at it, he could at least come closer to the long run. Big MTTs with thousands of people that only run once a year (I'm talking live here) are like those shots. Most people won't make the final table very often in their lives. And because of the steep payout structure of most MTTs, 1st place probably makes over 10 times that of 9th place. So at the final table you could get into a coin flip that costs you the difference of say 15 million dollars and 2 million. That's a difference that you will most likely never make up in the long run. Now if you're an online guy who plays most of the big MTTs that run you will reach the long run a lot faster, and even the MTT live pros who tour around and play all the big events will also reach the long run faster. But most people who play live tourneys will never come even close to the long run because he won't have enough spots for luck to even out. A player playing for a consistent 100 BBs can get into the spot of set over set and set under set thousands of times in his career. How many tourney pros see enough set over sets and set under sets at the final table in their career for that to even out? No one (at least no one who knows what they're talking about) is saying that tourneys are all luck. There is just a much bigger luck aspect than in other forms. The good players will still all have a better chance of winning than the casual and bad players. But it was Harrington, a live tourney pro himself I believe, that said tourneys like the WSOP ME were like lotteries, where players like himself got more tickets. The more tickets is the skill aspect, but when you don't play enough tourneys in your life to reach the long run, there is a significant amount of luck involved. No doubt Jamie Gold won far far more than his expectation no matter what he plays the rest of his life. He's not going to get in the situation of not flopping the nuts every hand he plays that deep in the WSOP ME to make up for the one tourney in which he did flop the nuts every hand (yes I'm exaggerating, but you get the point). [/QUOTE]

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