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Message: [QUOTE="detroitjunkie, post: 3150297, member: 61462"] No, solely based on the fact that wrong information was given and that caused the muck - it is unfair, and is a major angle -and if you speak of intent of poker rules - this is why they exist, to stop this type (and all types) of angle to be played here, they are meant to protect those from the shady (even if it wasnt the intent, which here it was not, but that doesnt change anything), a lot poker rules are anti-angle and anti-collusion, the others are to make sure players are paying attention, which yes this person was not, so he could get a penalty for mucking early, but not a dead hand. No matter what your buddy thought he was drawing to, the fact remains he misinformed about his hand, essentially at showdown because he didnt make a bet (?). If your friend had bet (which you never said he did), or there was a draw to come, its a whole different story (you say he called - was there a bet after last draw?) also opponent showed his hand - there is no way a dealer is allowed to award a pot to an obvious loser, no way, of course unless there was a bet the rules are meant to make the game fair and honest, which the outcome here was, now it also makes the game need attentive players - however when people break the rules they do not lose pots unfairly, they get penalties, otherwise the newbies would never play live now, even if there was a bet, a case can be made that your friend was angling, which could still result in the same outcome, depends on the floor, and especially if your friend had done this action before (doesnt sound like it though) in the same tourney and was warned, though in this case your friend probably would have been removed from the tourney altogether. tricky situation - if there was a bet I would award pot to your friend (if this was his first infraction) and then issue him a penalty, if not then the other guy gets the pot As soon as the guy showed the jacks I would have just bet without saying anything and watch him fold, this would have not been an angle. Expensive lesson. What was the outcome, did either of these players win the sat? (I assume your friend did not) [/QUOTE]

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