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Message: [QUOTE="detroitjunkie, post: 3150655, member: 61462"] Its a tuff call but acting out of turn and similar rule violations do not...and should not...constitute not winning when you have best hand. These rules are in place as an in-between ruling of sorts so as to not sevearly penelize someone because it could just be a mistake...but penalties like sitting out for set number of hands or minutes need to happen if it wasnt an honest mistake...but a penalty can never be a dead hand (in a tourney) for something other than an illegal hand (not enough or too many cards or a joker) due to possible honest mistakes Now since Sam didnt claim any action the hand immediatly goes to showdown and since the jacks were shown they cant lose...unless that was only two he showed. But still since he waived any action that is where the line is thin but should go in favor of the true winner whenever possible all because he said something...if he says nothing then it gets real interesting [/QUOTE]