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Message: [QUOTE="Tygran, post: 1159288, member: 25662"] ^^ this don't like the shove here at all really as played If you are going to shove bluff you have to do it in a way that maximizes your fold equity... If you had shoved instead of raise to 800 that might have been ok.. he could only really call that with an Ace or better... Depending on how loose he may even call that with KQ/KJ... Maybe. Of course I'm not an expert on those limits and I'm sure reads play a giant role in his decision making..however.... I completely agree with Vanquish..no way you get a fold here anywhere NEAR often enough after he raises the 1k back. You shove overtop of his 1k bet gives him GREAT odds to call you... so he is going to call you with virtually anything with the rare exception being the time he is on a bluff as well. I don't care if he has pocket fives he's not folding to your shove there after raising you the 1k very often [/QUOTE]