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Message: [QUOTE="DS3, post: 6184085, member: 407846"] Stu Ungar had a genius level IQ and was so brilliant at gin rummy by a very young age, the best in the world refused to play him which is why he switched to poker. Ivey is a brilliant intuitive player but Ungar was on a different plane. As far as I am aware no one has matched Ungar's tortured genius since he died. And whilst I understand the admiration of someone such as Ivey, I am not sure who would come out on top if you matched Ivey with the likes of Fedor Holz in the scenario above. Ungar was a phenom since a child and then befriended and mentored by what would appear to be another savant Victor Romano (alleged to be a mafia member). They were playing above the rim due to their brilliance which had nothing to do with the existence or not of solvers. [/QUOTE]