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Message: [QUOTE="widowmaker89, post: 1167507, member: 37427"] None of the high stakes online players use HUDS... So if everyone has the same information available it gives them all an advantage... You know any kind of poker is overall -EV right(rake)? If you think live players are better then "online" players you are sorely mistaken. It all depends who you consider live players though. We mostly only see tourny play so its difficult to compare. Ivey and PA play way more online but you probably contest they are live? Watch HSP and see how people think Dwan is. I am not saying see how much he won on it (a lot btw) since its 1 or 2 sessions are way to short term, but pretty much the consensus is he is way better then them. [/QUOTE]