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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 724600, member: 26306"] The point is the gun laws don't prevent people from illegally owning weapons. As mentioned above, with all the previous criminal history, it's doubtful he owned the gun legally. But he still had it, and was able to murder some people with it while they were defenseless. Gun laws disarm the populace and make it very easy for a criminal who somehow got a gun (a criminal? Break the law?) to shoot all he wants until the police arrive. Speaking of police, did you know there was a Supreme Court case that basically said the police have ABSOLUTELY NO DUTY to protect the citizens? Someone was being attacked, called 911, was able to survive enough time such that the police should have gotten there, but they never came (I think they actually showed up a few hours later to find the dead body and the attacker gone). Supreme Court ruled there was nothing wrong because they had no obligation to protect them. So if the police don't have to protect you and we can't own a gun to protect ourselves, what self-defense do we have? Are we down to building that moat around our houses? I've actually been having this argument with several kids in school here. I am in favor of repealing the federal law mandating colleges to be "gun-free". Now if it's a private school I have no problem with the campus making rules about guns (and then people deciding whether to go there could take that into account), but I think a federal law is unconstitutional. People are just scared of guns and make up all sorts of stories about what would happen. An argument would happen and someone would draw a gun. I said why doesn't that happen in the movie theatre? I'm not advocating everyone be given a gun, but if you can get a concealed permit to carry it around in public, why can't you have one on campus? You can walk down the streets, go into all sorts of stores with a concealed weapon, yet you walk onto a school and you're a criminal? Maybe if people were carrying Virginia Tech wouldn't have happened. And as expected, most of the responses are just "guns are bad" or "you want MORE guns???". I've said if we could eliminate guns from society, I'd be happy to. But unfortunately the bad guys will always have them. So the question is, do we want to give the good guys the right to own a gun or do we want to make sure the innocent are all disarmed? [/QUOTE]

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