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Message: [QUOTE="zachvac, post: 962719, member: 26306"] I'll listen now but to some degree he's right. It's a lot easier to learn about 3 and 4-bet frequencies and optimal play preflop than it is to learn how to hand-read postflop. That's why I've seen a lot of people advocating the style of flatting nearly 100% of 3-bets in position (well the ones you call, so I mean it's call or fold, not 4-bet much at all). But it's a strategy that can be exploited if used incorrectly and if it's a sub-optimal strategy he should be able to beat it. Obviously I disagree with him complaining about it, because it's part of the game and a valid strategy, but I'm pretty sure he's correct about the edge difference. Of course that's sort of like an NFL defense complaining that the other team won't pass they'll only run because their run defense has less of an edge than the pass defense over the offense. It's another aspect of the game and to complain about it is just silly. Alright, gonna listen now. [/QUOTE]