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Lex Veldhuis
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[QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 1307118, member: 23910"] *sigh* OK, you've done it. You've made me go back and watch the actual hand. I didn't realise we were talking about calling a shove rather than just a three-bet. The same points stand though. Have a look at Lex's face when he makes the call. He doesn't think he's ahead - he just thinks he's getting a reasonable price on a call (14.8K with 25.2K already in the pot). The villain is on mega-tilt after being bluffed by Veldhuis so many times and given that genuine monsters make up such a small part of his range Veldhuis is probably no worse than about 40-60 and that's about right for calling. There's nobody to act after him to get in the way. And that's before we even get into metagame stuff. It says one thing about you if you show some bluffs - it says another thing altogether if you show you're willing to call shoves with K4, and that can be a hell of an image if you know how to manage it right. Based on all that, I think the call was reasonable. Moreover, I think he's not the only player that would make it - metagame or otherwise. Sure, Phil Hellmuth and Allen Cunningham aren't among them, but that doesn't mean it was a completely stupid play. [/QUOTE]
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