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Message: [QUOTE="DS3, post: 6181565, member: 407846"] First, the episode crossed lines (not to mention the rules of the WSOP and the Rio) and Helmuth looked manic and out of control more so than his normal tantrum level. Second this [U]does[/U] do damage to the poker community and Joe Stapleton is talking out of his rear end - I completely agree with James Hartigan. This was already discussed within the Poker News forum and I noted as a neutral coming into poker the likes of Phil Helmuth put me off the game. Yes, when you are inside the community you become habituated, but that is not a good thing. The game needs to grow and attract more women and newbies...watching Phil Helmuth deride his competitors in such a vulgar manner does nothing but damage to the game. It's not the 70's anymore where poker was seen as played by outsiders and outlaws (or wannabee outlaws). [/QUOTE]