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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 2296856, member: 23910"] On your question, if you muck your cards before you've been awarded the pot then... sorry but there's no other way to put this, you're an idiot. And worse, if the dealer [i]allows[/i] it to happen then the dealer is an idiot too. I honestly don't know how you'd resolve that situation - if neither hand can be positively identified then I guess the pot has to be split? If one can be identified and not the other, I guess it has to go to that player. If the card room follows the "you have to show your hand to claim any part of the pot" rule, though, then this ceases to be an issue. Had a quick look and the Horseshoe Cleveland doesn't actually post its poker room rules online, you have to ask for them at the venue. Which makes me want to ask the same question I asked Joebob above: have you actually seen this rule in writing, or been told it's the rule by a floor manager? Or is it just something the dealers do as a matter of expediency? Has anyone ever actually challenged it? As mentioned above, just because the dealers are doing it, it doesn't meant they're following the rules. For example,[URL="http://www.crownmelbourne.com.au/Assets/Files/Poker%20Rules%20Version%2011%200%20_chinese%20poker_.pdf"] here's the rule from my local casino[/URL]: [INDENT]12.5.4 If two or more players remain in the game, the player being called will then expose his/her cards. All remaining players will, if holding a hand of equal or higher value, expose their cards. Any player at the table may request to see any or all hands involved in the final showdown. The Dealer will then announce the winning hand(s).[/INDENT] Pretty clear: the player being called has to show their hand, anyone with a better hand has to show their cards to claim the pot, and ANYONE who was dealt cards in the hand can request to see the cards. Despite that, on many occasions I've seen what people have described above: player who was called mucks their hand, and the pot is awarded to the other player without a card being shown. Note also that you're not giving your opponent "free" information - there's been a bet and a call, they [b]have[/b] paid to see your hand. Whether they were the bettor or the caller is irrelevant, they've put the same amount of money into the pot that you have. If showing your hand without them showing theirs irks you, you should be allowed to see their mucked hand. [/QUOTE]

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