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Message: [QUOTE="OzExorcist, post: 2299829, member: 23910"] ...but villain was under the impression that people had to show their cards to claim any part of the pot, so with the information we have it makes no sense for him to be lying. If he had to show his cards, he'd be found out immediately. IMO villain having bottom two pair makes the most sense here (insofar as any of this makes sense). Any other two pair beats it, and if he reads Grossberger's "maybe I can beat two pair" the same way I outlined above then what he hears is that he's beat. Even if villain [i]was[/i] lying about having two pair though, it doesn't change the fact that Grossberger clearly misrepresented his own hand. Two wrongs don't make an angle shoot right. And I'll make the point again: if it were a sensible card room that had the "you must show your cards to claim any part of the pot" rule, none of this would ever have happened. [/QUOTE]