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Message: [QUOTE="Double-A, post: 1645680, member: 42661"] I think Phil should take this route as well. He wants to be able to decide whether or not to bet. He wants to be able to look at his cards, calculate his equity against ATC, and then decide between shove/fold. So, we'd have to eliminate Rule #1, and change Rule #4 to: First to act must bet/fold. Right? We stumbled on two skills here (I think)... estimating our hands equity against our opponents range and deciding if we should bet. But, do these changes make our hypothetical game a game of skill? More so than... Roulette? I could learn the odds Roulette offers (estimating equity) and then decide not to play (fold)... Is not playing Roulette a skill? [/QUOTE]