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Message: [QUOTE="StormRaven, post: 1297105, member: 53047"] There are a great many replies in here with some great logical points. I particularly like the arguments that Dorkus & ND have made. I'm almost proud of Kid for his compassion in this issue, as emotional a response as it was, and I love Emperor's quick and to the point message. This is about what is right and what is wrong. Just because someone has the legal right to do something doesn't mean they have the ethical or moral right to do it. Even if this were true, that this is the reason this is happening, what's your point? Do you blame Rosa Parks for Obama being elected President? Is progress for equal rights such a bad thing? How is poker a women's sport? Men dominate the field. There might be a few extremist who throw up a red flag if there were designated "Men's only tournaments" but most women would respect that. So to make a broad generalization about something just a few have done is not even close to comparing apples to apples. Just because there are a few men out there that can't stand the fact that women are playing poker, and those men make it very well known to women in a very rude fashion, wouldn't give anyone the right to jump and holler that all men are rude jerks to women at the poker tables. You don't take a small sample and use it as an overall generalization to represent the greater numbers. It's about respect and what's morally right. Do you who think it is okay to write letters to PS demanding to be allowed to attend events that are scheduled for certain countries that you don't live in? Have you complained to the WSOP about the seniors only events if your age doesn't qualify? Do you defend a females wish to enter the Boy Scouts? No, you don't, as you shouldn't. But this also makes all of you out there that think men should enter women's only tournaments hypocrites. (fwiw - I think the few females that have tried to enter the Boy Scouts are being self-righteous, selfish jerks) Mostly, those who would defend the men's right to enter these tournaments, that feel the women who aren't happy with it are just complainers, or scream that it's sex discrimination, basically those men only defend things that serve their own self interests. Those men are so accustomed to being the dominate one, in what has mostly been a male dominated world, that they become self-righteous if others dare to do something where they aren't included. It's people like this who can't comprehend someone else's feelings, problems or challenges unless they've experienced them first hand. For the most part, men haven't been discriminated against or had to fight the battle as a man, to have the right to participate in something that is open to all. Women had to fight for the right to own their own property and control their own money, for the right to vote, for the right to work outside the home, for the right to equal pay for equal work, the right to participate in sports, the right to pick their own husbands in lieu of arranged marriages, etc; They have had to fight for their rights on so many things that certain men just can't even comprehend. A few nights ago I had an argument with a friend of mine who had a belief I didn't realize he had. He and some others were reminiscing of days gone by and about a few times they had been drunk driving. I was appalled by them laughing about this and said endangering lives wasn't funny. Ron's reasoning was that if other people and cops could do it and get away with it then he should be able to. To me it was about endangering lives, his reasoning was illogical to me. That's how I feel about this argument on men entering the women's tournament, it's not about if they can, they shouldn't. [B]Men and women should have the right to have their own competitions without interference from the other.[/B] I don't agree at all with some of the women that have interfered with men's rights to have their own tournament and would definitely defend mens rights to do so. Those who are arguing that a few women brought this on themselves, that is justification, not logical. Why punish all because of a few? As Dorkus said, 2 wrongs don't make a right. *I do find the story of Gordon and others who entered wearing dresses to be funny, humbling and in a way, respectful. It's hard to feel intimidated by a man in a dress! Emotional intimidation is a powerful tool. I understand your point here, but can not believe you used a penis enlargement as an example. That is so not even close to a good comparison. You are speaking about the difference of having a bigger dick and a persons life being at risk. I understand you are skeptical about her even having breast cancer, yes there are both men and women that have lied about having horrible diseases and such, those are just a few, most don't lie about things like that. Imo - I think saying you were at the table and stated your dad or son or whatever needed a potentially life saving surgery would have been a much better comparison. [/QUOTE]

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