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[QUOTE="Tygran, post: 1136143, member: 25662"]
Assuming you are referencing my post so I'll respond..

AK even in position you are just going to have to fold out most of the time you whiff the flop vs two players and any significant pressure if you flat it.  You also allow the 10/8 to get to the flop with any pp and other stuff so his range is far wider.   I also said that I think the 10/8 if he just flats you could definitely come along with worse or at least 22-QQ sometimes which you are flipping with (but he's going to be assigning you at least some possibility of AA/KK with a 3b) so you have more FE if you 3b than if you don't on the flop.  True you do fold out some stuff you are well ahead of (AQ being the most obvious hand) but I don't think that's a bad trade.

I don't *hate* flatting and I will do it sometimes actually but I would alot rather raise and eliminate one (or both) of them.  If the 10/8 folds and the fish calls, that's not a bad result at all.  If the 10/8 calls and the fish folds you will likely get a fold on a cbet often even if you miss.  There is also a reasonable chance you simply pick it up preflop which isn't a bad result either when say you are up against 99 and...whatever two random card the fish has.

do you disagree?
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