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Message: [QUOTE="trent32la, post: 2261051, member: 98386"] Hey guys....I was just wondering about math in poker because I heard from some guys that the higher stakes pros like Phil Ivey and the new young fearless pros don't use math in poker and just have a good understanding and concept of the game...and play by feel and situation....this is referring to Texas Hold'em...So heres what im asking....is it pointless for all the people getting a math degree that are using it towards poker to even bother? And is math just an old thing now since people these days are 4betting and 5betting with hands like 84 off and going crazy so people don't know your range and their hiding it that way....Im just wondering since I do use math while playing poker and im wondering if its pointless in this day and age...I really want some feedback on this topic because it seems like math isn't being used it poker anymore and its pointless to even use it anymore! [/QUOTE]