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Message: [QUOTE="Nathan Williams, post: 2264449, member: 83632"] Not that... and Owen Gaines is a good friend of mine. We have actually argued about this many times before haha. Beyond a basic grasp of the pot odds, implied odds and hand odds this is a game of logic and common sense which is not the same thing as mathematics. Many people can count every combo and tell you what the GTO correct bet size is but they don't know what the correct action is to take! It's totally insane. Look, you can sit here all day and write out equations and percentages but if you cannot learn how to figure out what lines certain regs take in certain spots (and most importantly how to combat them effectively) then you will not be successful. THIS is the heart of NLHE. [/QUOTE]