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Message: [QUOTE="FlowJoe, post: 1091185, member: 41432"] LOL, Well I guess just about all here would suggest that 7 card or 5 card stud is sucky poker. Limit holdem IS A DRAW GAME!! Why wouldn't a player DRAW if his hand is improving or the price is relatively cheap and he has OUTS!! Most NLH players hate Limit when they start, including Doyle who admitted it took time for him to warm up to limit. I had to learn to check when in doubt in limit!! It's tough, a whole different mind set that no-limit! Read Jen Harmon's chapter in ""SYSTEM"" I'm still learning..not that great or comfortable in limit! GL Peace, FLOW [/QUOTE]