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Message: [QUOTE="feitr, post: 1180475, member: 34106"] I was just thinking out loud moreorless. Basically, i used to be a litle paranoid about ppl bluffing me. I'd also make some spewy bluffs sometimes (bluffing w/ little to no equity in the pot), which would reinforce the idea that ppl can bluff in bad spots (since i was doing it). Net result is that i would often call down quite light, and pick off alot of bluffs (and also get owned sometimes). So once i fixed it and started to understand poker better, i think there is a tendency to assign similar thought processes to poorer players. For instance, it becomes a little hard to believe that somebody could just spaz out with only one overcard, because it is just such a horribly spewy play. But bad players don't think like this and don't make plays that make sense, so when something looks "odd" you probably shouldn't assign much logic to it (for ex. if villain shouldnt' be bluffing in a spot but they are betting, it probably means they are just running a horrible bluff rather than they are at the top of their range). Was in relation to switch talking about fish value betting bottom pair when you snap off a bluff w/ A high because they shouldn't have much they can bet on the river in that circumstance. It doesn't make the read any less correct than if villain showed up with air, it is just a situation where a fish is making a play that makes absolutely no sense - yet you are assigning sense to a player that is probably incapable of understanding logical poker processes. It's just something i have been thinking of as of late, as i think i've become a little too weak tight in the last while (probably as an overreaction to removing spew and partly as a reaction to constantly running into the top of everybody's ranges for > month) and giving ppl too much credit where it is not deserved. Far too much shitty thinking like "he can't rep much here so surely he wouldn't try to bluff" which definitely works vs good thinking players but is one level above where you should be against a poorer player (ie. they aren't repping much coz they suck at bluffing). [/QUOTE]

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