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Message: [QUOTE="billbaffles, post: 3078527, member: 191149"] One thing to add that I have not read yet but remember reading somewhere is that if there is no action on the river and it checks around then the player in earliest position shows first. I have seen, as mentioned, people muck winners, in the main event, Phil Ivey mucked a pair of 8's that had a flush when his opponent had an ace and lost due to mucking. I also remember Jungleman mucking a wheel to Esfandiari's 8-3 two pair in the heads up championship. The other possibility that I have seen is the last aggressor was bluffing, didnt want to show, mucked his cards, then his opponent turned over an even worse hand, and he tried to get his hand back because it was a winner but it was already in the muck. The other thing ive have seen with mucking is in the Main Event, the dealer mucked some lady's hand when she had called all-in and they were not retrievable from the muck. She said she had AA and only lost her initial raise but was not allowed to continue in the hand. I dont play much live poker but it goes last aggressor and then first position. I guess it depends on house rules but you are required to show your hand to any player who was dealt into the hand at most casino's. I know ACR does not show the cards. You could throw them at the muck and hope they get the wrong cards if you dont want to show. From what I have read, players get upset at other players who ask to see mucked cards a lot. I would never show unless you have to, even bluffs. I would always make them pay to see every time. I would concentrate on making players figure out frequencies and risk it instead of showing a bluff to make them think you have it as much as possible. [/QUOTE]

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