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Message: [QUOTE="Grossberger, post: 1358494, member: 55797"] Here are a couple of the rules that would cover this situation. Now I realize that misreading the board is a problem however..... 2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved and ruled live at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. An extra effort should be made to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player. 2. Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared. Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot. 3. Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help keep mistakes of this nature to a minimum. Ok so those are the rules applying to the board being read and all but then you have thses rules that would be in place for the player that mucked to NOT win any portion of the pot. 1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards faceup on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not. 9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot. (The rule for tournament play is you must retain your hand and show it if asked, in order to win part of the pot.) I got to tell ya I know the rules like the back of my hands and I always encounter a situation where a definate rule applies but because of some other occurance it could be interperated different. In this case I would say it's the players responsiblity to read the board or at very least just flip your cards over and if an error is found then your entitled part of the pot. So if I was the dealer or even a floor person I would have ruled the same way as was done because the player mucked their cards they no longer have entitlement to any portion of the pot. I think Oz will agree with me once he reads the post. [/QUOTE]

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