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Message: [QUOTE="Mr. Pink, post: 1311083, member: 23008"] Sorry to be bumping up an old thread, but I just caught it now. Well, this is a slightly different phrasing of the old saying, "Never play cards with strangers." Although I understand why people say that, I have to say that I do not fully agree with this philosophy. First of all, I never play cards (for money) with any of my friends. The reasons is very simple. I have my friends for other things. I never take money form friends, especially not on the turn of a card. I think that engaging in a money game against friends is basically wrong. This leaves me with the other option: Only play cards with strangers. Now, that philosophy makes perfect sense to me, because I have no attachment with any of these people after I leave the game. If anything goes wrong, it takes absolutely no effort to have these people out of my life permanently. Also, consider this. We all know how many people play online poker. Well, who the hell are these other player? Who the hell are the owners of the poker sites? How are the virtual cards really being distributed? No one can really say that anyone knows the real answers to that, and yet, milions of people engage in online games, against total strangers that are virtually invisible behind IP numbers. So, it would appear, most people do play with strangers, after all. It's just that we've come to accept these virtual online "friendships" as real. Which is clearly not the case. This is, in short, what I can say about this approach to picking whom I like to see at theother side of a card table. Of course, we can talk about this in length, but the point of this post is that pokerlovesme thinks he ended up in a crooked poker game. Well, I say, at least (luckily) this was not an online game. You still had the chance to see who these folks are, in real flesh and blood, and if you really thought you had to do something about the situation, you always had the chance to hang these bastards by the balls, in their own flesh and blood. So, the other question that pokerlovesme asked was if any of us have ever ended up in games where there were card mechanics. This is somewhat of a tricky question. Because if these mechanics were any good, the people you are asking would have no idea about it. The other issue is that most poker cheats are mobbed up. There is usually just one mechanic and the others ply different roles. If you guys want to know more about those things, please feel free to initiate a new thread and I'll tell you some things you may want to know. Also, this was a really low stakes game. This means that it is unlikely that any really good mechanics were woprking that game. Well, I can actually tell by the description of events... all these quads that pokerlovesme described. If these guys were cheating, I have to say they were amateurs. A mob of real professional cheats would orchestrate things in such way that there would be a minimal number of showdowns. As we all know, in poker, one can take a pot without a showdown. Yes, it is usually a smaller pot, but in the long run the pigeons have no idea what cards the sharks were playing. So, sorry again for bumping up this relatively old thread. I personally think that the issue of cheating is not discussed enough amongst poker players. Also, I happen to know quite a bit on the subject, so if you guys want to talk about any of these issues, please start a thread and I'll join in. [/QUOTE]

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