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[QUOTE="RamdeeBen, post: 1748933, member: 71146"]
I wouldn't really suggest it relies on luck.

To sum it all up, I don't think it's based on "luck" as you say. I think the big difference between the top players and donks who try this move is the spot, not the shove relaying on luck. Most pros can read what hand you're holding and what you're drawing too as well. If they think you have missed they can push you off the hand, even if that's incorrect they can still shove, get a fold and even IF called not a massive underdog and know it's profitable long term.

Of course you will always get people trying to play like the pros and of course it is based on luck for these players as they pick the totally wrong spots and times to do it. Also another big factor is, the pros can lay down monster hands that we would easily call off yet shove over the top with 4 high if they know they missed or think their oppositions hand is marginal where they wont call the shove which we just couldn't do.

That's the big difference, they know the spots to do this in. When you weigh it up, if you thought it was based on luck more so, then how do these pros make the craziest lay downs in the world which we would quite easily call off yet shove over the top with for example, nothing but 4 high? They basically know when they are beat, they know when players are weak and know what they will call and won't call.
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