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Is NL hold em, the biggest luck involved poker game ?
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[QUOTE="LukeSilver, post: 2966919, member: 59099"] OK I can explain further, The reason i say sufficiently large volume in such "vague terms" as you put it is it does depend on the variables. There are a lot of things that will impact the sample size required. for example back in the day I used to play double or nothings on stars this was when the Americans were still playing. I had some very good figures for those not so much due to my talent but due to the sheer idiocy of the opponents. Over several thousand games I managed a 60% win rate. further typically 50% of the price pool got paid there was enough room for a lot of play and my opponents were making huge mistakes. this was a very stable game which i very rarely had losing days at. the sample size required for a game variant like this to get statistically significant data was much less then another game which i specialized in 6 max hyper turbo sats. where the blinds were 10bb starting stacks with large antees and only a third of players got paid (ignoring the petty change for third) due to not much play per game and much wider ranges required the variance in these were huge. add in the factor that these games had become very popular with grinders after seeing jorj95 results these were swarmed with regs. typically the average game i played had me pitted against 3-4 other regs and only 1-2 fish/recs. because there was little movement room the edge was very small and the speed was very fast the sample size required for statistical significance here was huge. in order to tell you what sort of data sample you need we would need to know the game variant eg fixed limit NL pot limit. the structure eg cash table sit and go etc effective stacks blind levels pay outs etc. standard of play you compared to your opponents etc. so now i cant tell you how much data you need to be sure of your specific game. with exact details i could get some idea but unless i played in the same games and saw the standard and got a feel for it, I could not give something definitive. I mean dons today have a lot more variance then they did back in the days due to the standard been much better. that been said there still good games for relatively low variance and stable profits. But I wont do that for you unless you pay me because I am very busy at the moment and dont see why i should do the work for you for free. I am not expecting you to pay me for such things rather you to do the work yourself. any professional or serious player should be able to work out there risk factors bank roll management and either enter the right games or put in enough volume to ensure that there results truly reflect there talent. if you feel this is not the case then you are either playing the wrong games not putting in enough volume or just playing bad. it is perfectly manageable to play formats online where you can play enough volume to eliminate luck almost entirely. if you want to get into lottery numbers and say there is still a tiny chance, however slim that a good player keeps losing, well you know what technically your right. no matter how much you win or lose over how long there can still be that 1 in 900 septillion chance your results are just bad luck or good luck etc. and some people argue the there are infinite universes which means every possibility has to be realized somewhere. so hey you know what you might just be that 1 in 900 septillion, but I know what I think is much more likely. [/QUOTE]
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