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[QUOTE="Rumme1, post: 2974715, member: 182441"]
Roulette is not similar to poker. Many more skills involved in poker , like memory, reading tells, money management, disicipline, etc.  Yes, both games are gambling games and both games have elements of luck .   I have never said poker is ALL luck...I do claim that the luck element in poker is often under estimated or ignored and that it is a lie to claim that all poker players have the exact same amount of good luck and bad luck in the game of poker, over the course of years.

IMHO, it is stupid to claim that poker is all skill, just like it is stupid to claim that poker is all luck.  The pros you see on tv, want to believe they only win because of skill, because it is not complimentary to admit that much  of it can be good luck for long strecthes of time.   Phil ivey lost millions for the whole year of 2015....did he lose because he is no longer a good player ?  Of coruse not, he lost because he experienced a run of bad luck that lasted 12 months...and its possible it could last for years.  Skill does not erradicate bad luck in poker .   You can take a great poker player, and give them continual bad luck at every session, and they will lose money most of the time.  Skill will not overcome a lengthy run of bad beats in BIG pots , and months of cold cards , where you lose your money on antes and blinds in high stakes games.
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